Curse

Nanood · May 08, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Standing in Granite Citadel at this very moment watching a non-stop parade of mo/w20 bots spawning. Using the Tasca's Demise sign as a focus point of the script they run then a slight movement to the right and out the door.

My boggle is why does it seem so easy for us casual gamers to notice this sort of thing which is against all the game rules and for the people who run it to seem so oblivious.

When Granite Citadel has been a focus of so many threads in relation to this topic for the life of me I just don't get it. I would think that places of well known bot farming would be high on the list of game monitors favourite haunts. But then again.. Are there game monitors ?

Totally boggled !

iMike · May 08, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

SPOILERS I'm about to say something that may be looked down on by so called "real gamers"

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I like how in Runescape they have things that pop up and require you to do something so that the makers of the game know you are actually there, if you don't respond, they will assume your not there and may issue consequences if it happens repeatedly. I know alot of people might say that many towns are overcrowded and that this would make it worse, but it may sign off people that are afk who are overcrowding the area anyway. Just a thought. Don't troll me please, it's my first post. =P

Sparks Dawnbringer · May 08, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Yes, have you tried looking at them going to farm the undead in Nebo Terrace. I think all they did with the hard mode is give bots somewhere to go and ruined the few places it was possible to farm in person. I thought I was in Droks again. It is a constant line of monks out the door. I am a monk and it made me sick,. I cannot bellieve this is what they had planned for hard mode to be. All you need to do is stand there and record the names. Why is it so hard for them to figure this out? I think they really don't care. ,

Chop it Off · May 08, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

nothing will be done about botters.

anet may say they're banning them, but they OBVIOUSLY aren't.

the number of botters seem to be growing on a hourly basis.

Perynne · May 08, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

Nanood, there are tons of threads about the bots in Grainte Citadel already. Please look around the forums before making a new thread on a subject that pops up tons of times in a week.

Chop it Off, I'm sure Anet is doing something about the bots. If they weren't, I think this game would have been overrun with bots already to the point that every single outpost would have several districts dedicated to just bots. Banning a bot is not as easy as you may think.... the person behind the bots could be running tons of bots at once, and when one gets banned he can just create another. Getting one bot banned is not going to make the guy crawl up in a corner and break into tears of shame.
Also, Anet has a system where they don't ban a character immediately as soon as they get a name, but instead they check the background of the character to see if that person has exhibited bot-like behaviour. Sometimes innocent players who farm too much get banned, but from what I hear, most of the time the system works. I wouldn't want to play a game where the admins can ban you just as soon as look at you, without checking to see if you did something wrong or not.
The bots might look clear as day to you or me, but believe it or not, some of those bots may have been actual players who are just farming like robots.

Div · May 08, 2007, 07:55 AM // 07:55

The total number of botters are growing on a daily basis, sure, but it'd be growing much faster if anet didn't ban anything. Just be glad you only see ~30 bots in granite citadel at any given time instead of 3000

ogre-mage · May 08, 2007, 08:03 AM // 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nanood

Standing in Granite Citadel at this very moment watching a non-stop parade of mo/w20 bots spawning. Using the Tasca's Demise sign as a focus point of the script they run then a slight movement to the right and out the door.

My boggle is why does it seem so easy for us casual gamers to notice this sort of thing which is against all the game rules and for the people who run it to seem so oblivious.

When Granite Citadel has been a focus of so many threads in relation to this topic for the life of me I just don't get it. I would think that places of well known bot farming would be high on the list of game monitors favourite haunts. But then again.. Are there game monitors ?

Totally boggled !

Anet recently made a series of changes to eliminate farming (to some degree) that ironically increased the current bot population by a significant amount.

funny, no?

Roshi_ikkyu · May 08, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Woot yet another Bot farmer thread! Wheee!

I should go start a thread about loot scaling!

Clord · May 08, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

Answer: Because of human nature.

Etta · May 08, 2007, 08:17 AM // 08:17

You asked, "Why is there a gold farmer bot in GW?", you should also ask, "Why is there a gold buyer in GW?".

freekedoutfish · May 08, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

This is just another reason I think we should make access to HM unqiue to the character.

The system at the minute allows for bots in hard mode, because once you get HM on one character on your account, you can access HM on that same account with any lvl20 you own.

This lets players create lvl20 bots and simple make them farm HM.

If we made access unique they couldnt do it, or theyd be less likely.

I doubt most people would take the time to play a bot all through a campaign, just to make it farm.

RTSFirebat · May 08, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

A.net do ban botters, but there is an endless number of new bot accounts being created daily. So they aren't going away.

freekedoutfish · May 08, 2007, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

A.net do ban botters, but there is an endless number of new bot accounts being created daily. So they aren't going away.

Assuming bots are created by programmes auotmatically, why dont they just use those picture boxes which contain a code creating new characters?

The ones where you get a random pictures showing letters and numbers. They usually have random shapes and colours in too, to mix the letters up. You then have to copy it into the empty field box!

The idea being that a programme cant read the picture and copy the text.

Wouldnt that stop automatic programmes churning out bots?

SotiCoto · May 08, 2007, 10:23 AM // 10:23

I've had Gaile Grey personally reply to one of my posts complaining about their lack of activity to counter that they ban around 2000 bot accounts a week.

Problem is, as I said before.... it is like trying to kill off a hoarde of locusts with a candle. Removing 2000 a week isn't helping much if they're adding 10000.

clanceh · May 08, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

More bots is directly related to loot scaling. Anet reduced the drops for all, those who run bots need to make more bots to continue their business and Anet sales more copys of GW. That is how Anet has devised a way to sale more copys of GWs. It's all about profit. They don't make profit from us who have already bought the games. It's all about company profit and you are a fool if you think it's not all part of their plan.

SotiCoto · May 08, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by clanceh

More bots is directly related to loot scaling. Anet reduced the drops for all, those who run bots need to make more bots to continue their business and Anet sales more copys of GW. That is how Anet has devised a way to sale more copys of GWs. It's all about profit. They don't make profit from us who have already bought the games. It's all about company profit and you are a fool if you think it's not all part of their plan.

Interesting conspiracy theory...

And I suppose that the advertising of gold and the like by the bot-farmers elsewhere on the web also acts inadvertantly as advertising for Guild Wars itself.

Hard Mode too.... It is, in fact, easier to farm for better loot than Normal Mode ever was.... IF you happen to be a 55er... which all of the bots typically are.
Sneaky... ^_^

Alas Poor Yorick · May 08, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by clanceh

More bots is directly related to loot scaling. Anet reduced the drops for all, those who run bots need to make more bots to continue their business and Anet sales more copys of GW. That is how Anet has devised a way to sale more copys of GWs. It's all about profit. They don't make profit from us who have already bought the games. It's all about company profit and you are a fool if you think it's not all part of their plan.

I honestly do not think it was part of their plan. However, I do think the bots are directly related to loot scaling. The amount of gold available to the causal player crashed while cost for armor and skills remained pretty much unchanged, thus increasing the demand for bought gold. HM was introduced with significantly more opportunity for profit. And the botters quickly found places they could make a ton of money in HM. I don't think it was part of their plan, but, frankly, they could not have benefited botters any better if they had planned it.

It is getting to the point we might as well call this game Bot Wars since it seems to be a constant grind of ANet trying to counter botters by changing the game and most players spending their time having to adjust to ANets changes instead of just enjoying the game.

Betty Botter used Boon/Proter
“Bah,” she said “Boon/Prot’s a rotter
If I run old Boon/Protter
my botting will be bitter”

“So I’ll build a Bergen botter
He’ll be a dead bow getter.”
So she made a Bergen botter
And her botting’s ne’er been better.

Betty Botter,
What a rotter!

clanceh · May 08, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Not a conspiracy theory....a fact. Anet has devised a way to sell more copies of Gw (to the botters) by reducing drops for all of us. I've been playing this game for two years and my drops are pitiful now, normal mode AND hard mode. Thanks Anet. It's been nice. I do understand you need to keep selling copies of GW, I just wish you could do it without reducing my enjoyment of the game(s) I bought.

SotiCoto · May 08, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Quit yer fretting...

The extra bots don't actually seem to do much to harm the rest of us.
They haven't killed the economy just yet.
I mean sure... with more gold in the system and more people buying their gold, they can afford to pay more for certain items and drive the price up...

... But then some items remain at stable prices (i.e. armour) while others can now be farmed extensively by just about anyone.... so I can't imagine it will make too much of a difference.

Bryant Again · May 08, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

The more botters they ban, the more copies of Guild Wars are bought to replace the banned accounts. More money for ANet. DON'T YOU SEE!? They NEED botters!!! /tinfoilhat